Thursday, February 24, 2011

Response to Cam's Question: Can who we are change?

                Who you are can change based on experience. When people are exposed to different information and people they can adapt to those experiences. It is determined that they will change because those situations are all caused but that does not make the change any less real. Evolution is a theory based on a determined world, but the thrust of it is that causes adapt individuals over time. They change in a determined world and so can the human self. The difficulty for people in accepting this is that they cannot control how they change; it is something that happens to them. If nothing could change in a determined world we would live in a world which stayed exactly the same and I do not think anyone would argue that. Everything changes because there are causes acting on everything and everyone at all times. People change physically due to time, a cause. They change physically based on education, people, their surroundings and many other things.
                Should a person feel disappointed in themselves when they fail to accomplish a goal or should they view it as purely an experience they can use in the future?
                Being a caused individual does not mean that nothing that you do matters. What you do impacts others experiences and shapes them through becoming part of their causes. When people create rules they are essentially training people to act a certain way. Recognizing that we are led by experiences that include the rules of society allows people to be better able to recognize these forces. Once someone reads something or listens to someone that tells them the ways that society is leading them, they are having experiences that will allow them to judge how to act in society. Their decisions are impacted by the people around them and the education they receive. Recognizing this inclines one to value education and perhaps to think that education is a moral responsibility. This would be morality without free will because it recognizes that some things are good training and training is possible in a world where people are determined by experience. This view recognizes culture as an important part of human experience as a training ground. People learn to respond to causes based on the teachings of their society. We would have to say that it is inevitable that each society would arise as it currently is because of determination, but this does not change the impact it has on people.
                We discussed the idea of praise and blame as put into question by determinism, but what about other emotions like compassion and empathy. We could find that because people cannot change the way they act we should have more compassion for criminals. We could also say that we should not feel anything for them. They are following essentially a programmed set of events like a computer. They are not unique beings in the sense being part of a divine being would make them. This argument is undermined in the sense that people are unique beings. Everyone has a different biology and set of experiences, so they are unique even if their life follows a set line. We also could not argue that people do not feel and suffer. Even if they cannot change their actions and behaviors, they are beings that respond to pain and suffering and should be treated as such. This does not mean we should get rid of aspect of society that punish, like prisons, because we need to teach people to behave a certain way. Our behavior is clearly important and we learn this. We teach kids to look both ways when they cross the street, and we would be amiss not to teach this. The kid, though, can only act in ways that have been caused. If they are not told they will not look and if they are told in a convincing manner they will look. They cannot control what’s convincing to them either. That comes from the consistency of parents, the strength of the speech or a variety of other experiences. We can always think of a reason for actions and these reasons come from causes. We also are weighing things in our mind when we make decisions and can logically say that when given the same information in the same situation with no knowledge changed we would always make the same decision. This means we are all determined, but determined largely by other people.
                Are individual people important if the world is determined and nobody makes uncaused decisions?

Praise and Blame

                If everything that a person does is caused than the person could not be considered responsible. This would remove praise and blame from the equation. If people are not responsible for what they do, then we cannot find anything praise worthy or blame worthy in those actions that they do take. Praise and blame could still be used in this scenario as a way to fulfill psychological needs for both the person expressing the praise or blame and for the person receiving them. People who are upset and do not express it end up letting that blame for the other person build until they resent that person and do not want to be around them anymore. Without some form of blame the other person may never know that the potential blamer is upset with them. Then they will never change their actions. If they never change their actions, they may upset many other people and become ostracized without ever realizing the reason. Without praise they may also never learn that their behavior is appreciated and they will stop doing it. Without ever receiving praise people may also become unhappy and eventually wonder why they bother with a life where no one appreciates them. Praise and blame help people to live their lives in a more pleasant way, although blame probably gets massively overused. These expressions of emotions also help to develop people’s experience. When someone you respect tells you that you were wrong, this experience is one cause that leads you not to do the same thing again. Praise and blame help people to understand the people around them and help them to develop experience in a way the people around them appreciate. This makes praise and blame sound like a way of training people, but I think that is likely part of the truth as upsetting as it may sound. Praise and blame also allow people to express emotions that may build in them otherwise.
                If the world is determined, what are some other ways praise and blame are still useful?  

Quantum theory and free will?

Although quantum theory may suggest that actions can occur indeterminately at a subatomic level, and this can be disputed, it proves nothing about actions that occur on a larger scale. What I mean by this is that if electrons were to generate energy when not in motion, for example, that breaks a law of physics but does not mean that a person can do anything without causes. Just because a subatomic particle can behave in a way where a cause cannot be given, we cannot say the same of people. No situation can be described where a person does not have causes for their actions. Behavior can still be predicted at an atomic level and this means any effects at or higher than that level is determined. Quantum theory is also still just a theory and is not necessarily correct or at least correct in full. It is entirely possible that everything is caused at a subatomic level but people are not sure how yet. The quantum theory leads to free will idea seems to me to be equivalent to saying atoms cannot be considered alive and they make up the body of my cat, so my cat is not alive. It does not follow that the qualities of the pieces are the same as those for the whole. I cannot say that I have an understanding of quantum mechanics, because I do not, but I can say that it does not seem to follow that instances of indeterminism at such a small level mean anything for people’s free will. The argument of free will verse determinism is for most people a question of whether they and their fellow humans have it. This is not addressed in quantum mechanics.
How could quantum mechanics be applied to the actions of humans?